Conan the Barbarian: The Conan Movie Blog Review

Well Cromrades, you knew it was coming, and it is: I have seen Conan the Barbarian, and I have thoughts on it. Many, many thoughts.

This was always going to be a very difficult review to write. I have so much invested in the character of Conan, the work of his creator Robert E. Howard, and any future adaptations that hinge on this film. The reception and gross of this film is vital to the productions of Kull of Atlantis, Dark Agnes, Bran Mak Morn, Vultures, Pigeons from Hell, and who knows how many other Howard creations are in the pipeline. If the film does well, then we might finally get what Howard fans want most in a Robert E. Howard adaptation: Robert E. Howard.

While I’m always aware that I’m a big fan at heart, and it isn’t as if my word can make or break a production. But I am aware that what I say matters, and that I make a difference – the extent of that difference not immediately clear or quantifiable, but definitely present. I’m keenly aware of my responsibility for my words to be said with the utmost care.

As such, I’m going to write both a review and a critique: the review is the general, broad opinion of the film based on my reaction, with no real delving into plot, character or story details. The critique will deal with much more in-depth analysis, which would naturally mean every other aspect of the film. Those wanting to wait until they’ve seen the film to make a judgement would be advised only to read the review, and wait until after viewing for the critique.

As of this moment, I’m still putting the finishing touches on my review, so as a taster, here’s the capsule:

Conan the Barbarian (2011) is better than I was expecting in some respects, and worse than I was anticipating in others. On pure cinematic merits, it is not as successful as the 1982 film or Solomon Kane, but it is not quite as heinous as Conan the Destroyer or Kull the Conqueror either. In terms of adapting Robert E. Howard’s creation, it’s only marginally more faithful than any of its predecessors, just in different respects. Jason Momoa, with the right director, script and story, could be a fine interpretation of Howard’s Conan: there are brief, wonderful moments in the film where I momentarily forgot what film I was watching, and he’s definitely closer to REH than Arnold’s ever was. The basic story is still pathetic, some of the effects are simply atrocious, and there’s no thematic core, philosophy or subtlety to speak of – on the other hand, the natural scenery of Bulgaria is a joy to behold, some of the effects are surprisingly solid, and there’s a pervasive sense of enthusiasm from the cast that can be woefully lacking in these sorts of films. In short, some parts better, some parts worse, but overall, much as how I expected it to end up.

UPDATE: Now for the review itself. Click on, if you dare…

My initial reaction to Conan the Barbarian 2011 was that parts of the film were much less terrible than I was fearing, while others were much worse. Frankly, it’s still a rather terrible film from a pure cinema fan’s perspective (which tends to be the case for a lot of action films, so much so that they’re called “critic proof”) – but is it at least an enjoyably terrible film, and does it have any bright spots? Therein lies the dilemma.

I like starting off with the bad in my reviews, since I like to think the good makes up for it, and leaves a more positive feeling in the end.

First of all

Right from the start, I know exactly what my greatest grievance with the film is, and it’s the direction by Marcus Nispel. Now, I’m not going to say he’s an atrocious director, or incompetent, or an idiot with no sense of basic narrative structure, because frankly, I don’t think it would be very nice. Marcus Nispel is, in fact, something of an auteur: I get the distinct impression that this is exactly the film he wanted to make. All his idiosyncrasies make sense if you think of him in the same terms as you would for Uwe Boll: he’s a man who doesn’t care about things most people take for granted, like “this has to make sense,” or “you have to explain this,” or “you have to have some sense of pace or tempo or rhythm in order to make a satisfying film” – just that the film he makes is the film he wants. The problem with all this is self-evident: the type of film Marcus Nispel wants to make is directly opposed with the kind of film that Conan deserves.

Conan does not deserve a film where the action is interspersed with Bond-esque one-liners, or people making funny squeals and mugging for the camera when they’re kneed in the groin, or an interlude involving a man strapped to a catapult that looks, sounds and feels like a live-action Wile E. Coyote vignette (Holy MITRA, that scene…) Conan does not deserve action scenes that are devoid of visceral power and suffused with the sort of balletic acrobatics more suited to a stage show or Xena: Warrior Princess. Conan does not deserve to live in a world that has no sense of history or majesty, where one beautiful city is like any other, and there’s no idea of scale in the various characters’ travels. As a generic Swords-and-Sorcery film, it’s merely adequate: as a Conan film?

John Milius’ Conan the Barbarian had a lot of faults. Let’s forget for a second that it had next to nothing to do with Howard’s work, or the myriad plot and shooting issues. Milius’ film was directly inspired by the likes of Kurosawa, Kobayashi, Eisenstein, Pastrone, Ford – some of the greatest and most influential minds in cinematic history. Sure, it could be disjointed and uneven, but Milius was inspired by the best, and it shows. Some shots in that film are works of art. Marcus Nispel’s Conan was more inspired by Lucas, Spielberg, Zemeckis – in other words, people of the same generation and mindset as Milius. All those directors were inspired by earlier filmmakers, to the point where they actively homage them in their work – lifting entire scenes from previous works. Nowadays, people are making homages to them – which is essentially a homage to a homage. This results in a work that is as lifelessly derivative and creatively bankrupt as a photograph of a traced drawing of a painting.

Marcus Nispel’s Conan the Barbarian suffers from this issue to a profound extent, but instead of being reminded of Kwaidan, Alexander Nevsky or Cabiria, we’re reminded of the blockbusters of yesteryear, and instead of working for the benefit of theme and narrative, they’re in there purely to look cool and take up space. Milius taking visuals from “Hoichi the Earless” was used to emphasise the eastern mysticism pervading the film; borrowing the sword ceremony and armour of the Teutonic Knights of Alexander Nevsky was highlighting the “glamour of the crusade” in Doom’s quest for steel and the cult-like devotion of his men even at that stage of his life; taking the visual of Maciste pushing a wheel served to illustrate the Kafkaesque symbolism of the wheel in regards to mind-numbing repetition reaping rewards as well as being trying. Nispel borrowing the falling sacrificial wheel from Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom was done because… it was a neat action scene. Nispel lifting the egg-chase from Rapa Nui was done because… it was cool. There is no sense of invention, creativity, or daring about the film: everything that’s good is good because it’s been done – better – elsewhere, and everything that’s bad is because it doesn’t have any place in the film.

Despite Sean Hood’s efforts, very little of his work remains in the film, and I fear he’s going to take the fall for such horrendous lines as “what is your claim – DEATH!” “Now I’m going to kill you with your own father’s sword!” and the transcendent “Farewell my friend.” Some story choices are just bizarre, confusing and self-contradictory: more of those in the critique. All the set-pieces feel like set-pieces, not organic episodes of a whole narrative, but a series of unconnected events happening in succession. None of the characters are fleshed out beyond basic lip service, and many don’t have lines, or even names. They don’t even have closure half the time.

The effects in this film were… uneven. Some of the effects were quite good, while others were just horrendous. The prologue was probably the worst. Utterly dire, effects more worthy of the Asylum than other effects we see in this very film. Khalar’s battleship and its accompanying elephants were quite shockingly poor, and although I can’t be sure, I think they might actually have looped the animation of the pachyderms in one scene. Though the matte paintings were excellent as a general rule, there were some that were not up to that standard: a stack of ruins on the coast, the opening shots of Acheron, a few close-ups of Khor Khalba, and a few others scattered about that were very obvious in comparison to the good effects and natural scenery.

I’m not going to bother talking about the music, because even accounting for the fact that we weren’t going to be blessed with anything approaching Poledouris’ opus from the 1982 film, I’m truly astounded by how unmoving Bates’ score was. It was just… there. Completely perfunctory, uninspired, blase, mundane, adequate. No flair, no power, no drive, no soul. The only part that was remotely interesting was the end credits… and it’s not good when the accompaniment to a list of names is the only part of a film score that has any impact.

Aside from the obvious, I think what I hated most about the film was its treatment of sex and violence. I actually felt insulted by it. First, the violence: if you remove all the blood, it’s the sort of balletic acrobatics you see in Hercules: The Legendary Journeys and 300. It’s all jumping about, 360 flips, and inefficient flourishes that would get anyone in an actual fight killed in short order. It isn’t men fighting for their lives, it’s men showing off their agility and flair. It isn’t something with gravitas, power and resonance, it’s something light, bland and irrelevant. This isn’t battle, it’s a dance. The sheer amount of action scenes inevitably mean that the violence is sincerely diluted as a result, to the point where it’s meaningless. Conan doesn’t come across as an incredible warrior laying waste to mighty foes: he comes across as a monster massacring helpless enemies – or he would, if the enemies had any distinguishing elements worth a damn. Despite accusations of Conan glorifying violence, Howard was actually very frank, stark and relentless in his depiction of violence as the cruel and unpleasant experience it is – but the fact that the hero was still alive added the thrill of knowing you are still alive to counterbalance it. For violence to be Howardian, it has to have people simultaneously repulsed and enthralled: I felt neither during this film’s action scenes, and was actually put off by how insincere it was.

The treatment of sex, frankly, disgusted me. This film is unforgiveably chauvinistic in some key scenes, which put off the good will I had in their depiction of Conan’s mother, for all the two minutes she appeared on screen. Given that Howard was nothing short of ahead of his time when it came to not only making strong women, but giving the women who aren’t warriors or leaders a bit more backbone than the fawning whelps of his peers, I’m not happy about this one bit. This film presents Tamara’s independence as impudence rather than perfectly justifiable indignation, and though she eventually gains Conan’s approval through her martial skills, that doesn’t justify one early scene that had me fuming in rage, and will no doubt not be well received by feminist viewers. The slave girls… well, I’ll leave that to the critique, suffice to say that this nonsense might fly in a John Norman story, but shouldn’t be anywhere near a Robert E. Howard one. The film’s one sex scene was, not to put too fine a point on it, about as natural-looking as an ‘80s softcore music video, exacerbated by its hilarious incongruity within the film’s setting. At least it wasn’t offensive, unlike the slave rescue.

As for fidelity to the source material… yeah, you all know by now. If Conan the Barbarian was a rock 100 miles from Robert E. Howard, then this film is about 95 miles away. I should say that the attempts to reconcile the film with Howard are appreciated, much appreciated, but to be frank, it’s too little too late. The infusion of Howardian elements in this film is like using plasters to heal decapitation. Sure, putting a few bandages (sorting out the geography, improving Khalar’s backstory, changing races and nationalities to fit better) might stop some of the blood seeping out and close up some of the wound… but you can’t fix a beheaded corpse. Once the head’s cut off, you can’t save it. All you can do is put on a prosthetic head and hope no-one will notice.

On the other hand…

With all this criticism, you might wonder if there are any bright spots. I did say some parts were better than expected, after all. The most noticeable one, for me, is that the film is a lot easier to follow than I was fearing. Many lines of vital exposition, plot development and character interaction which I was led to believe were removed were indeed in the cut I saw. Artus’ brief explanation of Conan’s worldview to Tamara, Marique & Tamara’s conversation (my assistant asserted this wasn’t nearly enough to pass the Bechdel test, and admittedly I agree: if they’d just cut Khalar out of the conversation…), even a little extra dialogue for the villains to make them more than just meaty scenery. I can only assume the European cut of the film differs in some way, or earlier versions had just cut those scenes out: whatever the case, I was pleasantly surprised to hear some lines – if gnashing my teeth at some of the cheesy additions which most certainly weren’t in the script I read.

Jason Momoa is another success… sort of. In fact, Jason was by far the most frustrating thing about the film, in a way, because as with James Purefoy in Solomon Kane, there were real flashes of Robert E. Howard’s Conan in his performance… but because of the story and direction, these brilliant moments were few and far between, and horribly undermined by the very non-Robert E. Howard things that we see. There’s one particular moment in the film which almost had the hairs on the back of my neck standing up, so Conan-esque it was. Based on Game of Thrones and a few moments in Conan, I know that Jason Momoa could be Howard’s Conan, so long as the right director and story were involved. In this, he’s a swaggering, sadistic, chauvinistic bully, about whose personality and worldview we know practically nothing, who is utterly unchanged from beginning to end.

Is he closer to Howard’s Conan than Arnold, and does he make a better Conan than Arnold? By Crom, yes, on both counts. Arnold’s Conan could never be Howard’s Conan: the two characters’ histories are just so irreconcilable that you might as well be talking about two different individuals. However, what’s worrisome is that the ways he’s closer to Howard’s Conan than Arnold is because of what he isn’t, not because of what he is: instead of Jason’s character being more like Conan because he’s more like Howard’s Conan, it’s because he’s less like Arnold’s. It may seem like splitting hairs, but I think there’s an important distinction to be made. Jason’s Conan is closer than Arnold’s Conan because he is not forced into slavery as a child, nor is he thrust into pit-fighting as an adult, nor taken to the Far East to train in the use of the katana: all greatly appreciated, but it’s like saying “Jason’s Conan was not abducted by aliens; nor has he had his brain swapped with that of a tapir, nor was he transported to the 25th Century”: there’s an awful lot more that Conan didn’t do than what he did do, and of the things we know Robert E. Howard’s Conan did, there’s precious little evidence of it in this film.

Leo Howard was also a pretty solid young Conan. This was a young Conan I could believe hunted mountain-beasts with spears, or had been discussed in the council fires all over Cimmeria, or – in a few years, perhaps – would break the neck of a wild Cimmerian bull. In-between the ridiculous roundhouse kicks and silly katas, Leo brings an intensity and ferocity to the role that’s sorely needed to wash away Jorge Sanz’s heartfelt but entirely inappropriate performance. If they cleaned up the fight choreography and made his attacks brutal rather than flashy, I’ve no doubt people would buy that this boy is not someone to trifle with. Frankly, I’d love to see Leo take on the early thief Conan stories in a few years.

Of the supporting cast, I like Ron Perlman’s Corin and Nonso Anozie’s Artus the best. Perlman does a great mixture of loving father and brutal barbarian, treating his son with alternate kindness and harshness without his treatment being jarring or schizoid. He doesn’t sleepwalk through the role like he did recording the 2007 Conan game, either: this was him on his A-game, and though the material he had to work with precluded a stellar performance, he was still a highlight. Anozie was given a somewhat thankless task as the Token Black Sidekick, but his jolly eloquence constrasting with his bearlike charisma and presence was very likeable to me, to the point where – horror of horrors – I might not necessarily mind seeing him return in future. Perhaps, in an adaptation of “Queen of the Black Coast” treated as a prequel, we could see Conan’s first meeting with Artus on board the Tigress

The one thing I liked about the other cast members was that there was a definite sense of enthusiasm. Everyone was having fun in this film, be it Lang devouring the immediate area as Khalar Zym, McGowan savouring her large portion of ham as Marique, or Anozie and Taghmaoui being energetic and cheerful as Artus and Ela-Shan respectively. Bob Sapp and Nathan Jones fulfill their roles as Professional Huge Persons admirably, though Nispel never really takes full advantage of their grand dimensions to the extent he should. Of all the cast, only Ron Perlman and Raad Rawi try to give somewhat more sombre and serious performances, but even they couldn’t resist going overboard at times, having a nibble at the few parts of the set Lang and McGowan haven’t consumed in their rampage. I didn’t think anyone was on autopilot, or having a rough time: everyone seemed to be enjoying themselves, and it’s kind of infectious. Compared to the dull, lifeless dross of Prince of Persia and Clash of the Titans, I’d at least prefer the cast to seem entertained by what they’re doing than bored to tears.

The effects that were good, were very good: these were the particle effects of dust, fire, cloud and whatnot, which are damned difficult to do well, and so I applaud them for doing them well done. The stunts may have been completely inappropriate for the type of Conan film I envision, but in terms of technique and competence, the 300 choreographers and Bulgarian stuntment did a fine job. As I said earlier, some of the matte paintings are quite beautiful: the far shots of Khor Kalba, the Shaipur outpost, the monastery, Messantia, Argalon and what I presume to be Hyrkania are quite lovely, and I wish the other mattes were up to those standards.

Special mention should be made of the locations. It’s very evident when the film is showing us a digital matte, and when we’re seeing Bulgaria: when it’s the latter, it’s absolutely beautiful, and entirely real. The scenes shot at Prohodna, the petrified forest, the stone river, the Black Sea Coast and elsewhere add that touch of authenticity that the film desperately needed, and it isn’t as familiar as the much-mined New Zealand locations of Hercules, Xena and the Lord of the Rings films.

“But what do you expect? It’s just a Conan movie”

If all you know of Conan is a vague recollection of a pair of 1980s films, coupled with a rough knowledge of other Sword-and-Sorcery films, then I can see why someone would react to my criticism of the film’s story, characterisation, themes and general content with perplexity. After all, people only go to Conan to see sex, action and adventure, right?

Even those who know that Conan was created by Robert E. Howard – even some who’ve read his stories – might think those expecting more from a Conan film than blood, breasts and brutality are pretentious, deluded souls seeing things that aren’t there, desiring profundity and complexity in an adaptation that isn’t warranted from the source material.

These people, of course, are idiots.

Well, no, of course they’re not idiots, that’s just unkind – but I do strongly disagree with that assessment. Greater Howard fans and scholars than I have given copious examples of why Howard was more than just a particularly good pulp writer: that there is real depth and complexity to his writings, mythic significance in his characters and narratives, philosophical and symbolic vigour that truly does elevate his work beyond the status of mere subliterary hackwork. One need only peruse REHupa.com, The Cimmerian, REH-e-apa.com, Two-Gun Raconteur and other sources to find that there is indeed quite a lot more to Howard’s Conan than you’d find in a dime-a-dozen other Sword-and-Sorcery films.

That’s why this film smarts so much: it’s just a dime-a-dozen Sword-and-Sorcery film. The villain has slightly more motivation than most, and it has nicer scenery than most… but what does it have to offer over The Scorpion King or The Beastmaster? Does it have the cosmic tragedy, subverted Biblical allusions and intellectually curious barbarian of “The Tower of the Elephant”? Can one glean the civilized hypocrisy and arrogance threatening the honest underclass through colonialism of underestimated barbarism of “Beyond the Black River”? Is there an iota of the delving into the corruptive power of decadence and complacency exemplified by “Red Nails”?

In fact, let’s forget the deeper things, and concentrate on the basic stuff. Are any of the villains in this film remotely as compelling as the inhuman Xaltotun, the charismatic Thoth-Amon, the sadistic Tsotha-Lanti, the conspiratorial Tascela, or the sympathetic anti-villain Khemsa? Do any of the creatures have any of the impact of the heartbreaking Yogah, the sinister Satha, the monstrous Winged One, the unstoppable Khosatral Khel, or the almost-human Thak?  Is a single one of the supporting characters comparable to the magnificent Valeria, the stalwart Pallantides, the heroic Balthus, the boisterous Taurus, or the unforgettable Belit? Any locations so resonant as Zamora’s Maul, Xuthal, Xuchotl, Tarantia, Belverus, Khemi? Any set pieces as memorable as Conan’s stand against his conspirators and the chilling reminiscence of his homeland in “The Phoenix on the Sword,” his battle against the spider and subsequent meeting with the tower’s captive in “The Tower of the Elephant,” his monstrous battle with Thog in “Xuthal of the Dusk,” breaking the neck of a vulture in his teeth while crucified in “A Witch Shall Be Born,” his pulse-pounding flight from the Picts in “The Black Stranger”?

No. There’s obviously something that has people coming back to Robert E. Howard and Conan after 80 years in a way they aren’t coming back to his contemporaries or successors; something that’s missing in the tales of Brak, Thongor, Jongor, Elak, and other Sword-and-Sorcery heroes; something that makes him worth returning to every generation. The sex, violence and bloodshed in Howard’s Conan is like the heroics, guns and battles of Lawrence of Arabia: they’re what makes it the same as other war films, not what makes it special.

But what did you think of the film?

A lot of people worked hard on this film. Fredrik Malmberg has been battling the dunderhead forces of Hollywood to get a remotely Howardian film made since his company bought the rights. Sean Hood worked tirelessly to make a film that’s not only more Howardian, but just more coherent and satisfying a narrative. I needn’t even mention the many cast and crew members who put so much effort into performances and creating sets, props and tools to make the best film they could with the budget, resources, time and talent available.

So it’s actually really painful for me to admit that I hated the film.

Not only from a Howard purist’s standpoint, mind – no doubt if I didn’t know of the divergences in advance, I would’ve hated it even more – but from a cinemagoer’s standpoint too. Contrary to popular opinion, I’m not so blinded by purist sensibilities that I can’t enjoy a film on its own merits. I enjoyed the 1982 film, after all, as well as Total Recall, Blade Runner and I, Robot despite their vast divergences to their respective source material, and their own disparate qualities to boot. I’m not even that much of a snob: while I confess to preferring the likes of Tarkovsky and Reggio, that doesn’t mean I can’t also relish truly abysmal flicks like the live-action Fist of the North Star. But this film…

Believe me, I tried to like this film. I wanted to like it so much. But I couldn’t, and I can’t lie. But that doesn’t mean you won’t like it: after all, the only way you can find out is to experience it for yourself. Crom knows I have my share of films I’ve liked that others hated, and the reverse: perhaps my opinion will be in the minority. Frankly, I’d love that to be the case, that I’m just a curmudgeonly old purist/film-lover who had completely too much investment to make a fair assessment of a film. It’s entirely possible that those with different expectations will enjoy the heck out of this film: certainly you never have time to be bored, there’s always something happening on screen, there are plenty of nice visuals, it’s easy enough to follow. Have I got myself in so deep that I simply can’t make an impartial judgement? Only one way to find out: you, the reader, are the only one capable of making the decision. I’m not going to recommend people don’t see the film, as I believe it’s one of those films where you’ll just have to see for yourself. Will you enjoy it, or will you hate it? I sure can’t tell. I just wish that, if Conan the Barbarian turns out to be well-liked – maybe it will, look at the bank Michael Bay’s Transformers series made – I could join in that chorus.

I’ll have a longer, more detailed critique of the film up sometime this week, where I get into exactly what parts I enjoyed and, ahem, what parts I didn’t, explaining more thoroughly why I liked/disliked them, and where I think the Conan film franchise can go from here. Until then, I’m going to have to catch upon other reviews…

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  • Anonymous

    Two early reviews up on Rotten Tomatoes -

    http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/conan_the_barbarian_2011/

  • http://www.facebook.com/grailchaser Andrew Leitch

    Three days to go in Perth. Not that I’m counting… or anything… ;)

  • ColinJ

    Oooooohh, you tease…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tim-Matthews/507362067 Tim Matthews

    I bought the movie adaptation (book) today… should I read it before I go see the movie on Friday?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Bryden/699145304 Jason Bryden

    I will probably love it, purely because I’m easily entertained. I’m looking forward to seeing it. I find I can usually understand why people hate it/love it no matter my opinion >.>

    I am sure you can say the movie is still miles away from any Uwe Boll film :P

  • Anonymous

    Taranaich, thank you for the thoughtful and sincere writing. I hope I like this movie more than you did. Do you think an extended cut on Blu-Ray could improve this film?

  • http://antmanx68.deviantart.com AntmanX

    Thanks for the review. I see where you’re coming from on just about everything here but I think I have just adjusted my expectations to where I’m going to love it. I enjoyed Solomon Kane, was it a classic? No. Did I see flashes of Howardian greatness in it? Yes. I’ll buy it when it comes out. The costumes are nice and so on. After Solomon Kane, Red Sonya, Conan the Destroyer and Kull I really just wanna see a badass Conan. If its lovingly adapted and skillfully crafted then great, but at this point I’ll gladly settle for just “badass.”

  • Robert Scott

    The name Conan is apparently very commonplace in Cimmeria, I hope one day someone will make a movie about the one Robert E. Howard wrote about instead of these other two guys.

  • Anonymous

    Disappointing to hear. I had hoped the finished product would’ve proven itself worthy of this blog’s tireless efforts.

    Still, of the many cult classics from 1982, I’m just as likely to revisit something like Death Wish 2 as Milius’ Conan the Barbarian. So perhaps the new film will have enough B movie charm to win me over yet.

  • Jesse White

    Thanks for this, I have been checking, and re-checking this blog all day in anticipation of any information. Perhaps I also am too curmudgeonly and old to enjoy this new Conan. Probably it’s better to just skip it.

  • Anonymous

    mah…i can’t really believe that anyone actualy had high hopes for this…
    it seemed bad from the very begining…nispel’s “pathfinder” was a horrible film ,despite the great atmosphere and colors…mainly cause of the awkward-storytelling and stupid plot and twists…

    anyway…i’ll just go see it ,since i really love the genre (and i know for sure that i’m NOT going to see “immortals” in a theatre) and just try to enjoy the visuals and overall “barbaric” view of this…

    so let’s just get on with our lives…and stop being “dissapointed”..
    it would be a pity though, if momoa’s “conan” got cast into oblivion cause of nispel…everybody deserves a second chance…

  • Anonymous

    Crom!.. I’m sure glad you posted this link after reading Taranaich’s piece.

  • Andrew smith

    Thanks for the detailed and “more-in-sorrow-than-anger” review – it is a strange cosmic irony that you have done so much sterling and selfless work building an enormous online archive about the making of a film which you end up admitting you “hate”. Almost unique in the annals I would have thought.

    Nevertheless this blog will always stand as a corrective and an educative tool for the many who will see this film then might want to know about the real REH. If the film even makes its money back, about 9 million people will have seen it, so that is a lot of potential educating.

    I was at the premiere and came out with similar views to you, though I liked Leo Howard maybe more, I was maybe more disappointed with Momoa’s dialogue, for which I blame Nispel, but have to confess I enjoyed the violence more, especially in the first two thirds (end of the film it did get totally ridiculous and whirly sword nonsensical, as indeed did the whole film). But then I liked 300, with its hyper-real stylised violence, and I appreciate why you might feel it is removed from REH gritty realism, still, I enjoyed quite a bit of it for its ruthlessness and speed

    I would be interested to know which bit of Momoa’s performanc made your hairs stand on end though!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_V2OEVMGUOESSKK3K3P3MOXZIVQ Mario

    yeah me to

  • Finn Palm

    Taranaich.

    I’ve always liked what you have to say, even though I don’t agree with all of it. I’ve been following this process since Paradox bought the rights and I read about it in the local newspaper. Your review gives me the feeling that I will not like this movie one little bit. I’ll still go to see it, but only so that I can spread the word to others around me not to. I might be wrong, but I doubt it.

    Thanks for the review. Much appreciated.

    Best regards.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Bryden/699145304 Jason Bryden

    No no no. Bad thing to say Finn. Even if ultimately the movie does suck, we WANT people to see it. Because IF there’s a chance for a sequel, and IF there’s a chance the sequel is a direct adaptation of a story by Howard, maybe two, and IF there’s a chance the director is competent by most’s standards, and IF there’s a chance thus that Mamoa can not only have flashes of brilliance as Conan but fully realize that potential…

    Then we want people to see the film.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TBMJFTOVQR4IJXYJXJXMO6KSME Mario Geraci

    wow you have an assistant? I’m impressed!well,I wont get to see it for at least a week or so due to work scheduling,but what a shame. when i can I will see, i am not as excited as i was sad to say, but at the same time i cant say i am that surprised. i remained neutral even at one point even enthused to see it. I still am, but I will see it when i do now, not gonna make special plans opening night.
    My worst fears of this movie was that it would be more like a kull coupled with the violence of 300,which is a movie i do enjoy but i dont think is compatible with the shit that is kull.
    Still, I will come to my own conclusion, and never did expect REH to begin with,I may end up liking it too if its a level or two above conan the destroyer and a level or two hundred above kull.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TBMJFTOVQR4IJXYJXJXMO6KSME Mario Geraci

    nice to hear you had a good time with dilks afterwards though lol!

  • Finn Palm

    I disagree. The chance that a sequel will be faithful when the first movie is not is infinitely small. They would have to change so many things to make it faithful to Howard that it would in effect not be the same character in the same setting. So no, this movie needs to tank. And they need to bury the franchise before it starts to stink. It is stillborn. Read the stories instead. A Howardian movie will probably never see the light of day. At least not during this generation anyway.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ray-Cook/542919292 Ray Cook

    Unfortunately…my gut feelings about this movie are being expressed by Taranaich’s review. My main concerns were character development, storyline and how well Jason could capture REH’s Conan. I knew I wasn’t going to get the movie I wanted to see but I was hoping it would be somewhat close or at least entertaining. Unfortunately, I just found out our local movie theater isn’t planning on having the film this Fri. so I won’t be able to see it like I was planning on and find out for myself exactly how I feel about the movie after watching it. Grrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Well inspite of any negative reviews by professional or nonprofessional critics,I for one am still looking forward to seeing this movie on this Friday August 19th and I can’t wait.As I’ve expressed before on this blog,I am a big time Conan fan and really love the character and REH stories.Read them for years since the 70s.But unlike alot of you who are REH/Conan purist who at times may have a tendency to over expect and over intellectualize everything,therefore robbing yourselves of something that may be quite enjoyable,I intend on viewing this film with the same adolescent enthusiasm I had as a child whenever I went to the movies to see “Jason And The Argonauts” or “The Golden Voyage Of Sinbad” or Steve Reeves’ Hercules films.Personally I was greatly disappointed with the first Conan film mainly because of it’s lack of action and slow pace.Nevertheless,I still enjoyed it for what it was suppose to be,a Conan film.In contrast I actually enjoyed Conan The Destroyer more because there was more action,more fantasy elements and faster paced.Was there some corniness and campiness in the film?Of course there was but you’ll find that in just about ANY movie of ANY genrie.As far as Kull The Conquerer was concerned,the only real disappointment for me was Kevin Sorbo.He sucked as Hercules so I absolutely knew he would suck as Kull.Don’t get me wrong and I know some of you guys are really gonna chew me out in response and thats OK because after all,like the rest of you,I am entitled to my opinion.But all I am saying is you should lighten up.Give yourselves a break and and try to find that little kid inside of you that allowed yourself to enjoy something cool and fun.

  • Jesse White

    Question..
    Taranaich states:

    “This was always going to be a very difficult review to write. I have so much invested in the character of Conan, the work of his creator Robert E. Howard…”

    Yes. I can really understand this statement. Further on in the report, he maintains that he is not exactly looking for a purist Howardian film either. I can understand this too. It is basically the same as my stance regarding a Conan movie. The movie just needs to be essentially well done for it to resound like Conan.

    Unfortunately, if the story is not working from a Howard manuscript, then the concept of the production has to originate from a thoughtful/informed place, and be led by a director with vision.

    For instance Milius’s film is not even an attempt at transcribing Howard; he only is aiming at the spirit of Conan, and using it as a vehicle for illustrating a philosophical stance (ie. that of Nietzsche’s Übermensch) This idea is best explored by David C. Smith in his essay A Critical Appreciation of John Milius’s Conan the Barbarian. (http://www.barbariankeep.com/ctbds.html). It is decidedly not a Howard story, but I think it is still a great piece, worthy of being called Conan.

    At least in Nispel’s movie they pronounce Conan’s name correctly for once. I think Novalyne Price once said she didn’t know who this co-NAN person was.

    So, for the question part of this post…

    1. Was there a major polarization in the fan-base in reaction to Jackson’s Lord of the Rings movies?

    2. And, if his films are not dead on accurate, and all Rings fans don’t love them, how on earth did he achieve such major success with them?

    and finally

    3. Why couldn’t such a thing be done for Conan?

    —->(not that I want to see Conan action figures again, and plastic versions of his
    weapons BTW- I just meant that JRR Tolkien’s undeserving regard actually
    ascended following the movies, and Howard is still generally unknown)

    I don’t like those stories, nor did I care for the movies (I actually only watched the first one) so I was/am indifferent to how ‘correct’ a version Jackson made, I’m just interested in HOW he did what he did.

  • Jesse White

    Sorry, here is the link again
    http://www.barbariankeep.com/ctbds.html

  • Jesse White

    Crom.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1003722695 Grant Griffard

    Thanks Taranaich, your assessment is one of the few I respect on the subject. I have always had very low expectations for this film, or any recent film really. I will enter the theater expecting something like Kull or Destroyer. If I get more than that I will at least be entertained. I just hope enough people are entertained to warrant a better sequel. Not gonna hold my breath though.

  • Anonymous

    In terms of acting, production value, design, effects, certainly miles from any Boll adaptation. In terms of direction, though…

  • Anonymous

    If the extended scenes aren’t action scenes, then that might offer some breathing space between the constant barrage of fights, battles and explosions. On the other hand, if those scenes are worse than what we’ve already seen… Again, only one way to find out.

  • Anonymous

    HAH, me too. I call them Konahn and Konin.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry I didn’t get the chance to meet up with you at the premiere, Andrew, but at least we both saw the same film. I’ll be going into more detail about my problems with the violence and the moment Momoa became Conan in the critique.

  • Anonymous

    All I can hope is that you end up thinking “well, it wasn’t quite as bad as Taranaich said,” and that I’m just a lone grouch. The film has 4 out of 5 fresh reviews at Rotten Tomatoes, after all: who knows how the general public will like it.

  • Anonymous

    I think there is something of a schism in Lord of the Rings fandom regarding Jackson’s films (I should know, I’m part of the naysayers) but there is a truly MASSIVE gulf between what Jackson & company did with LotR, and what Nispel & Co have done with Conan. I would’ve loved for Conan to be treated as LotR was treated, even if I’d be picking away at the thing, because LotR was an adaptation of the book. They stuck to the plot, they stuck to most of the characters, they stuck to the basic themes, they stuck to the things that make it LotR instead of, say, The Wheel of Time. This film, on the other hand…

  • Anonymous

    Think of the ten dollars you spend on the movie as going into a lottery. It buys you a ticket, and maybe, just maybe the second one will be better. I agree it’s ridiculous, but it’s definitely better for this movie to succeed financially, than to tank.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Anthony-Chieffalo/17604867 Anthony Chieffalo

    I must agree with Jesse White here. LOTR films are completely different animals from their source, as I expect of The Hobbit films. Does that mean that one cannot appreciate or even admire the films?

    LOTR films, though great, are bastardized versions of the books. They are filled with romance between Aragorn and Arwen and dumbed down battle scenes that go on for hours.

    It is important to remember that a “blockbuster audience” is very different from one that is “literary minded” or seeking art, philosophy, beauty, etc. The true Conan scholar/enthusiast must remove himself from those preconceived biases in order to appreciate the film for what it is. This means the audience it was made for.

  • Anonymous

    @Mattjohnsullivan
    “it’s definitely better for this movie to succeed financially, than to tank.”

    Yes, I have never understood the mentality that says, “We need to collectively work to kill this franchise so that a better film will emerge.” Fanboys have been blindly following this logic for the past 15 years and where has it gotten them? The most successful films this summer were hollow pursuits like Transformers 3, Pirates 4, and The Smurfs.

    It’s even more absurd with Conan, since we already know a more faithful sequel is (literally) waiting in the wings. (And it’s not going to take much for the first movie to be successful enough to warrant it.) No, it’s still not a perfect adaptation, but it is a huge step in the right direction. We also know the filmmakers and studio are more keenly aware of what fans want in a sequel, thanks largely in part to sites like this blog.

    The whole idea that a fan would want to intentionally derail a potential franchise is just madness. We all know how well it’s worked for popular characters in the past. Fans are still waiting on that perfect Punisher or Daredevil film, while franchises that have managed to reboot usually took years of development hell to do so.

    I fully support the idea of fans providing feedback- especially when the filmmakers are clearly open to hearing it. However, it’s entirely pointless if fans simultaneously work to sabotage any chance that their feedback can actually be acted upon.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1406633852 David Kolodziej

    Amen, poirot

  • Anonymous

    Wanna take a bet on the final score on rotten tomatoes? It won’t be 80% fresh trust me. Or don’t trust me and despair in a year or so.

  • Anonymous

    Boll represents the bottom end and even Nispel in his worst days will still surpass Boll. If Boll went to be evaluated for the globality of his “work”, out of 100, he’d get between 0 and 5 while Nispel would get between 10 and 40 .
    In the name of the king was a laughable disaster, I couldn’t manage to watch past the first 30% of the film, and I’ve seen in the past from beginning to end the first Ator and Red Sonja…

  • Anonymous

    YEs, Poirot, bury your head in the ground like an ostrich and refuse to see what is happening: you are being lured into accepting something that was supposed to be accurately transposed but that wasn’t remotely faithful (don’t need to see the film for that, the story , the novelization and the charcaters’ names are not from Howard nor from pastiches)
    , you end up with something as entertaining as a “Mummy” film with Bredan Fraser.

    Sure, the next time will be better, fans have been hearing this for thirty years now, it’s a scratched record and no one is listening to folks like Taranaich, at best the studios will ask for his appraisal to motivate the purists and not-so purists altogether.

    The mere mentioning of supporting crap thinking it will make cash flow in the execs’ pockets so that we can have a better sequel is PITYFUL.
    They already have cash, don’t worry for that, it’s a bull excuse like the dozen other excuses I’ve heard with Warner and the Wachovski bros , they’re just making fun of us all by asking your “help”.

    I know who really needs help:
    - Howard’s legacy which is being covered in ridicule
    - Conan fans.

    Not the studios and their execs, they can rot in hell

  • Anonymous

    Well said.
    Everyone in involved in this film has been clear about the intention of making a sequel. If CTB 3D is basically a 2 hour battle scene punctuated by some dialog, I think there’s enough people out there who will appreciate its lack of pretense and will find it entertaining. However, I don’t think it can be done a second time. Based on all the reviews so far, this film is absolutely over the top in the action department. This means there can only be a bit less action and more story/plot/character development/acting in the second one. If anything, It has to be different from the first one, somehow, in order to be interesting.

    But, for that to happen, Conan has to prove himself at the box office. Clearly, the filmmakers decided the safest way to achieve this was going with the balls out, mindless action flick option. We’ll find out soon enough if they were right or wrong in that assessment. In the meantime, one could say this movie is a fundraiser of sorts.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not that naive. Of course it won’t be %80. I’m not experienced enough with rotten tomatoes to make an informed bet on the final score but I know is not going to be high.
    However, if a large enough part of the general public sees it as this dude does:

    http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/1017103/conan_the_barbarian_review.html

    Then we are in for a sequel. Mission accomplished, next mission!

  • Anonymous

    “bury your head in the ground like an ostrich and refuse to see what is happening

    Not the studios and their execs, they can rot in hell”

    Apparently, the alternative is to engage in conspiracy and hyperbole. No thanks.

    The problem with your logic is that I’ve already read the Blackman/McCain script. I like it. I would like to see it used as the basis for Conan 2. I also like Sean Hood’s ideas about where the series should go and would like to see them have to chance to be realized onscreen.

    Here’s the other fundamental problem: I love movies. Even when they’re nothing more than mindless diversions. I suppose it’s the difference between becoming a film buff via the dusty racks of a video rental store and someone who does so because they enjoy arguing on the internet.

    It’s sobering to realize that in today’s climate, many of the films I loved as a kid would’ve never been allowed to advance past the development phase. The “fans” would’ve never supported them.

    The internet has been a boon to Hollywood and fans, but I’m not convinced it’s helped either evolve as much as they like to pretend. What it really does is provide a way for average films to become massive blockbusters, while at the same time reducing the audience’s ability to enjoy them.

    If the goal of this blog (or any online fan attempt) is not to provide feedback in the hopes that the next film will be better, then I have to admit to not understanding what the goal is. By all accounts, there’s a very strong probability that a sequel to this film will be an improvement and will continue to provide an outlet through which more people will be exposed to the work of Robert E. Howard.

    In my opinion that’s much better than whining online and hoping that an $80 million flop will somehow magically convince a major studio to sink even more money into a big-budget film that’s 100% faithful to REH.

    But perhaps you’re right and suggesting that people rot in hell is the intelligent response fans should be making at this time.

  • Anonymous

    Indeed. And as for The Punisher, I thought War Zone was a fun (yet very thin) movie. It had many laugh out loud moments. If this Conan film is up to that level, I’ll actually be pretty happy. Is it what I want in a Conan film? NO! But I’ll take it.

  • Anonymous

    “In my opinion that’s much better than whining online and hoping that an $80 million flop will somehow magically convince a major studio to sink even more money into a big-budget film that’s 100% faithful to REH.”

    If CPI wanted so hard to have a good , a really good Conan flick, let’s say even if there’s a 80million flop called Conan 3D, they’d ask Burke, Finn and friends to cook a tasteful little adaptation and also some artists who worked on Conan for Dark Horse and Marvel to quickly sketch up a few storyboards, without any interventionism from Hollywood.
    Then the early project would be presented in the state to studios, INSISTING on the fact that it has 100% approval of Conan specialists and fan favourite comics/illustration artists .
    Something healthy to start upon, NOT the other way around asking nincompoops who know nothing about Conan to imagine somtehing and casting people in the dark.
    We’re in real life, not in “Black Colossus”, where it is said that the first person encountered in the street will do the job fine and is chosen by fate.

    Hollywood could add or remove elements, it’s evident, but at least there would be something worth the while as a basis, not empty promises “the next one will be better if you support the first campy tryout”.
    We’d end up with something that assuredly wouldn’t be 100% faithful, but that would please a lot more fans without being ditched from the start like this funny Conan3D project was.
    Think hard.

  • Anonymous

    Poirot, you just been FOOMED!

  • http://www.originalgeekspodcast.com/ Dedpool

    I’m probably still going to love it simply because I need me some dark fantasy. This and “Solomon KaneA” should fill that void for a bit. Any word on that getting a Region 1 release? I really enjoyed it and hopefully (but doubtfully) it can recoup some $ and get a sequel).

  • Anonymous

    @Foom

    “We’re in real life”

    I’m not sure we are.

    This is the problem with the average fanboy mentality- it doesn’t deal in reality. Movies are not a right. You don’t get to have someone invest time and money just because you like something. Yes, I imagine it would be quite simple to get a faithful Conan film produced if everyone involved shared your ideals and beliefs. But they don’t.

    The reality is that studios know fanboys are not enough to power a blockbuster. You don’t get a Spider-Man, LOTR, or Dark Knight without getting the general public on board as well. If they can’t be bothered, you take a Watchmen-sized bath.

    I happen to agree with Taranaich’s views on the issue and even your idea of what “should” happen in an ideal world. But what has passed is done. Right now there’s a new movie about to open and its success or failure will dictate the fate of anyone making a new Conan film in the foreseeable future.

    I reserve the right to change my opinion on it, but that won’t happen until I’ve actually viewed the finished product for myself. (Admittedly, a radical concept in 2011.) For now, I’m content to hope a successful debut will improve the sequel. This is how it used to work prior to the internet, when a successful dud like Star Trek: The Motion Picture could provide the filmmakers with enough studio goodwill to act on the wishes of the fans.

  • Anonymous

    Foom, you’ve just been POIROT-ED!

  • Jesse White

    Yes. The question is as you state, who are the moviemakers trying to please? These ones want to make as many people think Conan is as cool as we think he is, and I think that there are many more viewers on the side of “blockbuster audience” than on the side of “literary minded” audience.

    Milius’s CTB was made hearkening back to a style of movie that was not intended as a spectacle or summer blockbuster so much as a statement within the greater discussion of film, and perhaps even society. He was striking at a philosophical argument that is as old (at least) as the Romantic period, and he was not trying to please Howardian purists. Likewise he wasn’t trying to please blockbuster audiences either… I think he was of a kind of film-maker that is more like an independent.. someone that goes for an artistic statement, and does it to wrestle with his own demons through art.
    This yielded a titanic movie called Conan the Barbarian. Not a REH story made into film, but something else, powerful, in the spirit of, and vital. Thus (as David C. Smith says) to criticize an artist for not doing what they never meant to do in the first place will always be fruitless.

    Nispel’s CTB seems to be the inverse of Milius; made for blockbuster audiences, devoid of ‘deep’ questions, full of generic music, slow motion/ balletic fighting, gory…

    I think until Howard fans number in the majority of movie watchers, there will never be a true-to-Howard Conan movie. But we might one day get another well-done Conan movie, like the ’82 CTB. I still have faith in that.

  • Anonymous

    War Zone was a fun throwback to 80s comic book sensibilities, but it alienated modern fans who wanted a faithful version of the MAX series.

    So they huffed and puffed throughout the film’s development, then stayed home on opening weekend.

    And a low-budget film that was intended to launch a series of violent, R-rated movies was effectively killed before it ever even opened.

    No doubt those same Punisher fans are currently encamped on some message board, eagerly awaiting the day when another film will attempted. Yet considering that Hollywood was unable to turn a profit on a $35 million production (roughly what one of Seagal’s better DTV efforts was going for around five years ago), I don’t think that day will be soon in coming.

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HAUMLGRC3ZGKCCV4ROK7BMJ66E Peter

    I knew it was going to suck lol that is quite hilarious to me. I love that saying from Kevin Smith on how “In Hollywood you kind of fail upwards” which is a perfect example of Marcus Nispel’s career at this point. I think it just goes to show you how little the executives in the movie studios actually care if movies are considered good or if they are total shit. Since all they care about is advertising it hardcore, in the hopes that everyone goes to see it. Since some people are going to watch it hoping it doesn’t suck, since they assume everyone has their own opinion on the matter, then there are others who will watch it knowing its going to suck, but are just curious as to how badly it actually does suck. Hollywood I think has figured that out, and has thrown good content out the door since they probably have come to realize there is just as much money in a shit movie as with a hit. Its like looking back at the time when Jeepers Creepers was released. That was right around the time when they stopped making good movies, and movies took a sharp turn to hardcore garbage. When that movie was released I thought it was horrible, then years of watching movies that were WAY worse made me take a second look at Jeepers Creepers with that “If I only knew what lay ahead” look and not thinking it was bad anymore hahaha

    I do however have one positive thing to say. Although I have absolutely NO Faith in Marcus Nispel what so ever, I do have faith in Jason Momoa. I am reading that he wrote the next Conan movie, now THAT movie I actually do have an interest in watching. Provided of course they choose a new director.

    I am still laughing at this since I recall last week some idiot on here was saying something in regards to “if you don’t want to see a GOOD Conan movie, then don’t watch this one” hahahaha

  • Anonymous

    And you got it deep, DEREK-T in the … you know where !!

  • Anonymous

    I think you’re missing the point by far, to say the truth you’re clueless and you repeat exactly what hollywood execs profess.

    According to you it’s Fanboys VS The World.
    Of course there are creepy geeks who know only a few comics and may be even fans of the despicable Conan cartoon and TV series, but the average Conan reader who knows the source material isn’t a superman fan who’ll write to DC comics asking the editors what will happen next or telling them they don’t like the new supervillain.

    But that’s what’s happening to Conan now, he’s being transformed by Hollywood (it happened in a few comicbooks in the past) into some sort of popcorn movie which goes with the flow.
    And the flow in 2011 smells bad, real bad: overabundant CGI, The Matrix stunts, 300 slo mo and accelerations, closeups that make you puke. Story wise: junk that barely entertains your 10yo kids and bores adults to death. Music wise: worse than any historical documentary on a cable TV channel.
    Conan doesn’t need a superhero treatment with crappy film trickery and cheesy stunts, he needs a down to earth artistic treatment , a director who’ll dare to do something different than merely “going with the flow”, without plagiarizing Milius neither.

    And you think you’re doing your homework while promoting the new movie so that a “promised sequel” will happen?

  • Anonymous

    “I live, I love, I slay…I am content.” —–

    I am still trying to figure out which Howard story that is from…

  • Anonymous

    Right, and you can zip it up now, Foom

  • Anonymous

    blah, blah, blah . . . we’ve heard it all before, Foom.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1406633852 David Kolodziej

    Queen of the Black Coast” (1934)…”He shrugged his shoulders. “I have known many gods. He who denies them is as blind as he who trusts them too deeply. I seek not beyond death. It may be the blackness averred by the Nemedian skeptics, or Crom’s realm of ice and cloud, or the snowy plains and vaulted halls of the Nordheimer’s Valhalla. I know not, nor do I care. Let me live deep while I live; let me know the rich juices of red meat and stinging wine on my palate, the hot embrace of white arms, the mad exultation of battle when the blue blades flame and crimson, and I am content. Let teachers and priests and philosophers brood over questions of reality and illusion. I know this: if life is illusion, then I am no less an illusion, and being thus, the illusion is real to me. I live, I burn with life, I love, I slay, and am content.”

  • Anonymous

    It’s been shortened from: “I live, I burn with life, I love, I slay, and am content”

    maybe the same story ;) from which the quote

    “Were I still in death and you fighting for life, I would come back from the abyss to aid you–aye, whether my spirit floated with the purple sails on the crystal sea of paradise, or writhed in the molten flames of hell! I am yours, and all the gods and all their eternities shall not sever us”

    was pulled and which became after being adapted 50years later by a controversial dude with a lithuanian name :

    “All the gods, they cannot sever us. If I were dead and you were still fighting for life, I’d come back from the darkness. Back from the pit of hell to fight at your side.”

  • Anonymous

    Blah blah blah, you’re a bag of wind, Derek77 aka Charles .
    You promised hundreds of times I’d be the pariah of the blog and would probably get kicked out but here you are mumbling and confused, making doopid remarks about me, as usual. I’d be bored to death if you weren’t there to make me laugh!

  • Anonymous

    The reviewer, Duncan, says it himself:
    “I appreciate I might not be in the majority on this one”

    A large enough part of the public it is not, I’m afraid.

  • Anonymous

    Crom! Thanks for sourcing that perfectly, David. Like most of Howard’s work, that is a very strong piece of writing. I wonder if Momoa would be able to handle those lines? It would be a dream to get a script like that in a movie…

  • Anonymous

    Nice quote, Foom! The original is so much more powerful than the adaption. It is still a mystery to me why the creative forces behind these movies don’t take Howard’s writing more seriously.

  • Anonymous

    Joe Lansdale once said, “See the movie, read the book and that way you are never disappointed. Fiction and movies are two really different beasts. Take the movie YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE. It has damned little to do with Ian Fleming’s novel and it made a ton of money. So it goes. I have not seen CONAN yet so I can’t comment on the film.

  • Sean Hood

    I have a lot of respect for Taranaich…and for the fans on this blog. I think your voices will make a difference in the future.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Terry-Dowell/100000498726885 Terry Dowell

    Same here.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Terry-Dowell/100000498726885 Terry Dowell

    Well, I’ll be skipping this in the theater but then again I was planning too before I read this anyhow. The whole project has reeked of sh*t from the beginning.

  • lagomorph rex

    I’m extremely conflicted. I realize I should support this film with my money. At the same time I’m such a horrendous cynic that I know exactly what will happen if this movie either booms or busts. If it booms, Nispel gets all the credit and the Hollywood people will say that it would have made even more money if not for all that pulp fiction crap. If it busts, Malmberg and Hood will get the blame because they pushed for all that pulp fiction crap instead of the heinously stupid stuff that was in the pre-hood script and seems to have leaked back into the final film. Either way, Howard by proxy, will be blamed for it’s failings and get none of the accolades of its success.

    So I feel as if my financial outlay will be betrayed no matter what I do. At the moment, I’m just not sure If I should spend what free money I do have, on this film or not. I suppose I’ll flip a coin Thursday and see. Consider my enthusiasm, built solidly and obviously precipitously by the Novelization to be completely shot though.

  • Anonymous

    Has anyone seen this interview with Marcus Nispel about Conan? Apologies if this has been posted earlier. He talks about his influences and reading Conan blogs which ‘daunted’ him :-) Who knows.

    By the way I’m joining the others in thanking you Taranaich for the review. A lot of wise words.

    I disagree with people talking about ‘reality’ and that’s the way it is. If you want to make a good movie get a vision and go out there and make it your own. It kinda sickens me hearing people say ‘thats the way it is man’ Perhaps it is but if you don’t try you don’t get.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry didn’t actual put the link in I was talking about. Brilliant!

    Anyway here it is:

    http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/features/conan-the-barbarian-2011-marcus-nispel-interview.php

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-Dilks/100002678287396 Steve Dilks

    Well said. For me the collapse of Hollywood, in the context you are speaking of , started with “Van Helsing” another vaccuos piece of cliched celluloid that the new Conan film resembles-haphazardly thrown together standard bog filler, culling from every other movie blockbuster at the drop of a hat with no acting or characters. It spelled the end.
    As for Jason penning the sequel …lets just take that with a pinch of salt.

  • Anonymous

    today is conan ‘s opening in france, we go tonight my wife and I.
    I read the duncan’s review yesterday, so now, I’m a little more optimistic
    let’say 40% for a thumbs up, 60% for a” burn and bury all of the copies, for crom’ sake !!”

  • Anonymous

    hey , don’t you think it makes too much “IF” ?

  • Finn Palm

    I disagree. To buy a lottery ticket knowing you’ll lose just because you *might* win on the next one is stupid. No offense if you like buying lottery tickets.

    This movie definately needs to tank. More doesn’t equal success.

    “I used to have aids, but now I have aids AND cancer!”

  • Finn Palm

    I don’t care how the general public will like it. I can’t stand any more

    “Hey, watcha reading?”

    “Conan by Robert E Howard.”

    “Oh, that movie with Arnold.” (matter of factly statement. Not a question)

    “No, not the movie with Arnold” (followed by a long educational speech on how Howard’s Conan was the original and how Milius’ movie is not even close.

    I get your point though, but you know the above has been an issue for me as long as I’ve read Conan. I. Am. Fed. Up. In all those %&!@ years ONE damn person has NOT frowned and turned and walked away because the general public utterly despise the Arnold-movie.

    End of rage.

  • Anonymous

    queen of the black coast, but it is a shorten quote

  • Anonymous

    ok i think u should all watch it before judging it because i have faith it will be good and i read that apparently the music was not very good but i downloaded the soundtrack it is actually quite amazing so i recommend going to watch this movie becuase the music review was incorrect so the movie review may also be a little to critical .

  • Anonymous

    Read on the web the critics of the music, it’s unanimously reviewed as bland, lifeless, overridden with drums and barely at the level of the TV series theme.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t play the lottery, but ten bucks is a small sum to pay on the off-chance that someone might take a hundred-million dollars, and potentially make a sweet Conan movie. It’s ten bucks, and, who knows I might even enjoy this current movie on a base, meat-eating, ass kicking level.

  • Anonymous

    I know! It was crazy to me how badly that movie tanked! Well, I guess not considering how bad the movie before it was. I am huge MAX fan, and on that level it failed me, but, as I’m hoping this conan movie will do, as it did and please me on a more base, fast-food kinda way. Which is why I’m saying this film should be supported even if it ends up not being what we all want and deserve. Punisher will make a return because he is back in the Marvel peoples’ hands and Kevin Feige has said so. In what capacity, who knows…

  • Anonymous

    I’m saying it right now, There is no way in FUCK that he will be writing the sequel to this Conan film. The boy is dreaming.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think Nispel will get all the credit, as the internet and reviews are already dicing him up. If it’s successful the studio will credit brand recognition and Momoa, I’m betting. Many shitty first movies, that make money often have new directors for the sequels. G.I Joes comes to mind. Ghost Rider. Not to say that we’ll get a better director, but I’ll be shocked if Nispel returns.

  • Anonymous

    BAM! right there, Foom, is what makes you a much maligned asshole! (I’m an asshole too, so it’s o.k) The guy just stated that he listened to the music and liked it, and you responded by saying that the internet critics agree unanimously that it sucks, so it does. And I even agree that it isn’t great and wish to fuck they somehow dug up Basil’s bones and banged the war-drums with them, but I don’t feel the need to shit on his optimism. You can register this as an attack if you like, but honestly I’m just pointing out why people got the venom for you. Trust me, on my day to day, I shit on people’s optimism and when they call me an asshole, I say: “Yup”, with a real ass-holey smirk on my face. On the blog, they don’t get to see smirk.

  • Anonymous

    Speaking of crushing optimism, we’ve got that tomato meter beat down now: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/conan_the_barbarian_2011/

  • Anonymous

    Even at this late stage in the game, Bumla Foom still finds its necessary to point out to us lesser beings what is right and what is wrong. Bumla can hurl all the insults in the world at me, but there is one undeniable fact: he is a pompous know-it-all with about as much credibility and personality as an eggplant. He’s proven this to us time and time again. I just hope he makes good on his promise to post his review of the movie. After everything he’s said and done, he owes everyone on this blog at least that much.

  • Leandro Sant’ Ana

    Only bad reviews. Here in Brasil is the same…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4RFLHF3MK7673MIPEVQNXLYANI Abe Vigoda

    This is a very well-written review from Drew McSweeney (old-school AICN guy and REH fan): http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/motion-captured/posts/review-conan-the-barbarian-is-bloody-brutal-and-possibly-brain-damaged . Makes it sound fun. Drew and the majority of the reviews at least have little complaint with Momoa; he and many others have said he captures Conan in a way Arnold never did.

  • Anonymous

    Good review, yes, but this reference about Nispel – “He’s like a Nazi scientist, determined to see just how much 3D the human brain can withstand before exploding” – ouch . . .would not have been my word of choice

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-Dilks/100002678287396 Steve Dilks

    I think some of these reviews- “Its the equivilant of being punched in the face for two hours while someone continuously shrieks in your ear” -are kind of endearing in an adverse sort of way. That review will have hordes of death meal fans tramping down to the cinema in no time at all I reckon.

  • Anonymous

    Okay, all you young fanboys, let’s get a few things straight…pure Conan has nothing to do with your cheesy graphic novels, comic books, etc. It’s the original, superbly written Robert E. Howard short stories and novels, which were (some) also filled in by the excellent writing of L. Sprague deCamp and Lin Carter, both of who did a masterful job of matching Howard’s style of writing to flesh out the series and outlines. The first movies with Arnold were total crap, and completely different from any real Conan story that existed. The entire storyline in both was wrong. Conan also has blue-black hair, blazing blue eyes, and is muscled like a panther…lean, powerful beyond belief for a human, lithe, agile, and with an unschooled high intellect…in other words, nothing like Arnold. So remaking the movie is not an insult to the “real” Conan, since Arnold’s version was anything but. Although Arnold was eventually a semi-decent actor, his acting in those was terrible. Thulsa Doom was not even a character in the Conan books, because I read them all in the late 60′s-early 70′s, and I know that he was from one of the other of several of Howard’s barbarian heroes, King Kull. Sadly Thulsa Doom did not even appear where he should have, in the abominable Kevin Sorbo movie about Kull. In not a single Conan story is there anything about searching for his father’s killer, so this new one has already got the story wrong, which scares me…will this be another abomination? Or will they at least get the spirit of it right, even though the story is wrong already? Why can’t anyone do the “real” Conan? At least some black hair dye and some bright blue contact lenses…but at least Momoa’s physique seems about right for the descriptions in the book. We can only hope that he doesn’t come off as a stupid buffoon, like the way Arnold played it. Getting the Hyborian Age details right would also be great. Howard wrote the history of the Hyborian Age so his readers would have a sense of context, so all the screenwriters have to do is a couple hours of research…I hope they already did, or the new movie may be as poor as everything else since Howard, deCamp and Carter set the standard for what is great in “everything Conan”.

  • Anonymous

    It has been awesome following this blog since it started.
    I am a massive fan of Arnold’s Conan and I am embarrassed to say that I had never heard of REH, or new he was Conan’s creator, until I heard about this new movie and decided to do some research on google.
    At first I thought REH were harsh and unreasonable and hated most of you for all the spiteful things said about this new movie and my hero Arnie.
    I have come to realise that most of you are very intelligent and passionate and you guys have my utmost respect.
    I owe it to you guys to check out some of REH true work. Thanks for providing great discussion and insight for me to read this past year.

  • Anonymous

    im only hoping for the best foom , sometimes critics can be wrong , if we r all conan fans(not arnold) even if the movie is not truly exactly how howard wanted it , lets still try and look at the good things , im going to watch it today in australia , im sure ill enjoy it and im sure u guys will too , and yes i agree that the music is not as good as basils , but in the original film there was barely any talking at all so we needed epic music like basils to make the movie greater , i think the soundtrack may fit well with the amount of action i have heard of being in this movie . take care guys!

  • Anonymous

    MattJohn, I can’t believe some people actually liked the music: positiists, completists, fans who seek sheer entertainment, all found their share in the movie but tnone ever said they loved the music.
    But here pops in Valerous1 and his bland advertisement: everything is super duper, yay.

    How credible!

  • Anonymous

    I insulted you, Derek ? You have a severe case of amnesia!! You attacked me without end, trying to get me kicked out with dirty word games, but guess what, you FAILED buddy.
    And everyone who read the old blog knows you are not a simple fan but someone who works in the film industry.

  • Anonymous

    Chawley, I was mad when I saw what Milius did to conan, chaining him to that whell and making him weep at Thulsa’s feet.
    But you’re dead wrong when you say Conan is described by Howard as lithe. conan is an impossible man: he’s both massive, powerful AND agile. There are as many refs to a panther than to his enormous muscles or him being almost a giant. If you don’t belive me I’ll give you the right quotes when I come back home at the end of the week.

    Milius’ movie had a LOT of stories from Howard only they were cut up and reassembled in the wrong way ( tower of the elephant, queen of the black coast, and many others, there are reviews which compare all bits and pieces of the origins). In the sense of ‘wrong storyline’ I agree with you. But it contains a lot more Howard bits of stories than Conan3d will ever have and same for the novelization.

    Fans should stop mocking Milius’ movie, it had it’s wrongs but I doubt Conan3d will stick closer to Howard, well perhaps a young Conan look and that’s it.

  • Anonymous

    Advertising? What are you on, anyway? He said he downloaded the soundtrack and found it, in his opinion, likable. The only one who’s FAILED around here is you, Foom. And what you’ve failed at is trying to convince us that you’ve got anything other than shit for brains.

  • Anonymous

    Conan 1982 fuckin’ rules. you know it, I know it. We need not defend it. No, not Howard, but hard as all fuck, nonetheless!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TBMJFTOVQR4IJXYJXJXMO6KSME Mario Geraci

    and this is the positive payoff, youve exposed yourself through this blog and movie to the writings of reh , and thats a win in my book.I truly hope you enjoy reh’s writings.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tim-Matthews/507362067 Tim Matthews

    Death Meal? I’ll save that one for last…

  • http://antmanx68.deviantart.com AntmanX

    Drew McWeeny’s review makes me want to see it even worse.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1406633852 David Kolodziej

    Just got back from a screening. It had it’s flaws but I thought is was a pretty good Conan movie. I’ll have to watch it again before I can compare to the ’82 Conan, don’t even know if I should. I will say they really tried to capture REH’s Conan much more then the ’82 one. Thank’s to Nispel, Momoa, Hood and all involved for really trying to make a true Conan movie. Get some friends together, drink some beers and go see it, I really think if this one makes $’s they’ll make an even better one.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-Dilks/100002678287396 Steve Dilks

    Agreed!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Terry-Dowell/100000498726885 Terry Dowell

    I think with all the money this makes they will make another one just like it.

  • Finn Palm

    Mattjohnsullivan:

    “I don’t play the lottery, but ten bucks is a small sum to pay on the off-chance that someone might take a hundred-million dollars, and potentially make a sweet Conan movie. It’s ten bucks, and, who knows I might even enjoy this current movie on a base, meat-eating, ass kicking level.”

    Well, I mean no offense, but people like you are the reason Hollywood are allowed to keep doing whatever they feel like in order to make money. In effect, people like you are part of the reason this new Conan-movie is not true to Howard. They know they can get away with it because they’ll have your money anyway. But then again perhaps you’re not primarily a fan of Howard’s Conan.

    I say vote with your wallet, and not only in regards to this movie.

  • rojo_web

    I feel bad for this but THE SOUNDTRACK FROM TYLER BATES IS SO HORRIBLE!!!

  • Anonymous

    hey guys just watched the movie , i must say it is a really great film , Jason momoa is the best conan we are going to get by a long shot he did a great job as conan , the music was ok the main theme u hear is very good and is a tune i will remember the rest of the music is not bad , characters r great a little more character depth would have been nice but still very enjoyable , a conan fan would be happy to watch this and be proud to say he is a fan , khalar is awesome and so is marique they r twisted but even they have a good story line and i also read tamara doest get used enough lol she actually gets alot of screen time and is really great . ron perlman= AMAZING! i give it 8/10 the improvements could be length the movie should have been over 2 hours and the side character build could have been a little better but apart from that it was A Epic movie anyone who compares this to clash of the titans should really think twice , this move makes that look awfull . I hope u all enjoy the experience like i did !!! i pray for more movies to be made just with a few minor detailing lol .

  • http://profiles.google.com/asysis Jeff Brooks

    Great writeup- thanks for posting. Mebbe wait for DVD on this one…

  • http://www.facebook.com/grailchaser Andrew Leitch

    Well, I saw it and was pleasantly surprised. It was good. Not “Great” but quite okay.

    I was checking my watch every 20 minutes to see if I still liked it and I managed to get through the whole film without ever reaching a turning point where I disliked the film, which was not what I expected, given the reviews.

    My complaints would be:

    1) Why do people have to keep screaming and lifting their swords (or babies) into the air at the end of each scene?

    2) A land ship? WTF were they thinking?

    3) Not enough exposition and travelling scenes. The movie needed another 20 minutes of travelling which could be spent talking to flesh out the characters and flesh out the world.

  • Anonymous

    To be frank, I don’t know. Since it’s so close to the film, I’d recommend waiting until afterwards, so you aren’t disappointed if a scene isn’t in the film.

  • http://www.originalgeekspodcast.com/ Dedpool

    Glad to hear you liked it and didn’t let the naysayers detract you. Everyone has an opinion and as taranaichpointed out as long as it’s an informed one you’re entitled to it. I look forward to seeing it myself.

  • Anonymous

    saw it yes terday, wrote some of my views on the previous page, damn , I don’t have the courage to write it agin, here, hahahah
    by the way, in france it’s a PG 12 film, i got out a bit frustrated

  • Anonymous

    i’m so deeply sorry to say that the 60% won the game

  • Anonymous

    saw it yesterday , boom, wrot what i thought on the previous page, just a word about how the JM is physically exploited on screen : you never notice how big and tall he is !he never looks like a fu.. giant of a man
    erase that mighty ‘impossible man” you have in mind, buddy, you won’t get him on celluloid
    how can a director have a 6″5 dude look as an average guy most of the time on screen ?

  • Anonymous

    yeah , a mighty warship, and thay attack the”hornet” with a tiny longboat ?hahahahahaa

  • Anonymous

    my wife fell asleep after 20 mn, lol

  • Anonymous

    my wife fell asleep after 20 mn, lol

  • http://www.facebook.com/hengfa Heng Fa

    unfortunately, they skipped the most important part of the verse. “I burn with life.” without that, the line rings really flat.

  • Anonymous

    Someone who fails is someone who admits openly downloading an OST, or simply someone like you who insists when he should apologize and leave the blog, because you never had anything interesting to say apart from putting oil on the fire. A troublemaker in other words

  • Anonymous

    Hi Flanker, I just read your review. Bad news huh, I didn’t see it yet but tell me was the french version censored that much or was it granted a PG12 because the CSA didn’t really pay attention?
    If gory effects could save a film anyways…. HAHAHAH we’d know it by know, right!
    I’ll post my review soon. Hope you’ll fight with those like me who want a REAL fresh start from now : new director, real adaptation (pastiche or original tale) , better casting , better OST ( I admit lestening to the OST before watching the movie. a sad pos this ost)
    A bientot!

  • justin long

    its getting mostly terrible reviews on Rotten Tomatoes now… all pretty much saying the same thing. Basically mindless battle after mindless battle, Conan is a complete Sadist and the story, direction, editing and music suck… thing that pisses me off the most is how they apparently have turned him into a mindless psycho.. we either get a dumb lumbering Arnie Conan or a complete nut job… think ill pass and re-read the stories instead…

  • Anonymous

    Bumla Foom wrote: “If gory effects could save a film anyways…. HAHAHAH we’d know it by know, right!”

    Yeah, you’re all giggly and happy now, aren’t you Bumla? Just sitting back with a big “I told you so” smirk on your face? Feel good? Patting yourself on the back, perhaps? Maybe you’re sitting back with Dilks, sipping champagne, all cozy and comfy, basking in the realization that you guys called it? I guess you did know better than us mere mortals after all, eh? The thing is, though, I still think you’re a scumbag of the highest degree. It was never anything you said that really bothered us, but the way you said it – the way you looked down on people like some entitled demigod. As one poster above so aptly put it: you, sir, are a much maligned asshole. That will be your legacy here long after this movie is forgotten about.
    If there is a fresh start and a new blog dedicated to that effort, you can be sure that if you show your face there I will expose you again. For people like you need to be exposed.
    Good bye for now, my dear Foom. I look forward to reading your review.

    C.C.

  • Anonymous

    It’s helps to have a good score on Rotten Tomatoes, but it’s not critical. Look at the ‘The 13th Warrior’, which is only 33% fresh. It’s one of my favorite movies and I watch it at least once a year.

    Don’t bail on this movie because of Rotten Tomatoes. Go and see ‘Conan the Barbarian’ so you can determine for yourself whether it’s good or not. Who cares what most critics say? Unless you value the opinion of someone who likes ‘Glee 3D’.

    Support this franchise, so another Conan movie can be made. Think of how much different ‘Conan the Destroyer’ is than the original ‘Conan the Barbarian’. A sequel has a chance to be drastically different; for better or for worse. If ‘Superman’ bombed would there have ever been a ‘Superman 2′ (‘Superman 2′ is better in my opinion)?

    Despite the bad reviews, despite my apprehension of Marcus Nispel’s directing style: I will still go and see this movie because I am a diehard Conan fan. I always have been and I always will be.

  • Anonymous

    @allikohcysp I agree with most of what you said aside from being an Arnold fan. (runs and hides)

    I arrived late to everything. Got on the bandwagon after seeing Game of Thrones with Jason, which apparently I shouldn’t have admitted to since this blog bags on folks that didn’t arrive here properly (whatever the hell that means).

    Anyway, I have since checked out REH and found that I love his writing and I now know why REH fans wanted a better version than what has supposedly hit theaters (I have not seen it yet). REH gives writers everything they need to make a great film. So thank you for that! Who knows what version you’ll get for the second?

    I’ll be watching Conan better informed, but I never had the expectations that most here did. So bad reviews, bad interpretations, bad dialogue be damned. I’m going to try to have the best time with my popcorn and beer in hand and watch this dude do his best to live, burn, love and slay.

    Thanks for the all the wonderful information and turning me on to REH.

  • justin long

    very true, and I will definately go see it, Ive enjoyed far worse films im sure :) and if it one day gets us a decent Conan film, then great. It cant be any worse than say, Prince of Persia!

  • Anonymous

    Ascalante , i could not agree with you more . people who love the conan stories and conan character need to get behind this even though u may find things about it that could be better we still need to back it , oh and arnold = 23% conan, jason momoa 90% conan just needed blue eyes and thats it lol

  • Anonymous

    wayyyyy better then prince of persia lol u will see , Its better then ull expect bud i just wish it went for longer , like 2 n half hours woulda been perfect.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4PO4H3JBW5X4Z5VRNA3UQIB6TA Finn Thebarbarian

    I haven’t seen the movie yet but it has always been my position that this movie was damned. They fucked up the director choice, they fucked up the casting choice, they fucked up the writing, they didn’t consult meaningfully with the REH scholars, and they stonewalled the fans instead of interacting with them. We knew this movie was born with an extra chromosome. I knew it, Taranaich knew it, Steve Dilks knew it, Bumla Foom knew it, and lots of other Conan fans knew it. The faggots with their heads in the clouds didn’t know it. This movie didn’t get the Lord of the Rings treatment or even the Marvel treatment. It got the failed director and the horribly miscast unknown actor treatment.

    The movie may wind up being watchable and entertaining or even profitable (despite the 27% positive rating on rotten tomatoes right now). I’m sure I will find things to enjoy about the movie and may even moderately enjoy it. However, it had no chance of ever being a serious Conan movie. It’s the movie equivalent of the debt ceiling bill.

  • Anonymous

    Lets use the 2 HULK movies as examples…they both sucked because they didnt change the CGI hulk…the 2nd hulk movie should have either gone ALL cgi or used a real huge human bodybuilder as the hulk…the cgi hulk mixed in with real people and scenery looked awful…so they didnt learn from the first Hulk movie at all

  • Anonymous

    finn do u judge people that much before meeting them too?? lol u havnt even seen the movie .. fail….:(

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4PO4H3JBW5X4Z5VRNA3UQIB6TA Finn Thebarbarian

    lol omg i noe rite!

  • Anonymous

    I AM GOING TO WATCH IT AGAIN TOMMORO !!!!! ,but not in 3d , this movie is awesome!!! go conan!!! slay them all!! slayer , reaver , thief , warrior!!! FIRE n ICE!!!! lays and slays all in his way!!!!

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  • Anonymous

    seems we did not watch the same movie…

  • Anonymous

    don’t you worry about my implication , I’ll be on the front line for it
    i really think it is a censored version, we don’t see several plans that are in all of the trailers, like when K Z cut some monkey’s head off while attacking the monestary, conan breacking the arm of some big bald dude while armwrestling in the tavern,conan drunck , dancing whith a topless whore on his shoulder, the battle scenes seems to be minimized, the blood splashes much less gry, the blood itself ain’t that red, i mean is not as red as in RB trailer…and this battle scenes are so close shot, that you hardly know who slays who, hahaha, even the fight in the tavern is “incomprehensible”, now I stop , go see by yourself, but in conclusion , compared my own views to other bloggers’ , seems obvious I did not see the same movie!

  • Anonymous

    hey didn’t you nkow that supes 1 and 2 were shot both at the same time?thus, superman 2 is no sequel , it is the second part of the same story

  • Anonymous

    Superman 2 is not a sequel? Whatever dude. All of the sequels are better for the following movies : xmen, Spiderman, star wars, batman begins, godfather. That’s my point, so don’t get smart, bubs.

  • Anonymous

    superman 2 is no sequel at all, it is the second part of the same story, they shot the film , most of the film at the same time that the 1st film, my purpose was to stick the point on the financial issue you pointed out .in 1979 , the cash benefit out of the 1st film did not influence the makinf of the 2nd part , cos it was already shot and and ready for an worldwide release

  • Anonymous

    but, you’re quite right for the examples you quoted, except for the godfather, I think the first one is the best ever done

  • Anonymous

    I’ll try to go and watch it this weekend, or else it’ll have to be next week for f*** sakes!!
    Look above that stupid comment from Derek77, he’s shitting his pants because the film is being ridiculed by Taranaich and other Conan experts/fans, while bloggers who only wished to be entertained find it …entertaining, what a surprise….
    He thinks that if he continues attacking me ,perhaps people like you, Flanker, may change their first opinion about the new Conan… how naive!!!!

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  • Anonymous

    Not shitting my pants, boy. From all accounts the flick sounds like a stinker. So be it. That doesn’t change the fact that your still an arrogant, elitist slime ball. Off with you, boy. Your presence here grows tiresome.

  • Anonymous

    He saw Fire and ice by Bakshi andf had a giant spliff, result he thought he was in a theater watching a terrific Conan movie.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Terry-Dowell/100000498726885 Terry Dowell

    On that note I am really looking forward to Rodriguez take on Fire and Ice. Hopefully he doesn’t screw that up.

  • Anonymous

    CONA IS TERRIFIC , u should be happy that conan was brought back out to the big screen and stop complaining , none of use could have played a better conan than he did just be happy it was re introduced and hope they make another and just fix the few faults it had . :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Terry-Dowell/100000498726885 Terry Dowell

    Get over it dude. Worst film I have seen in YEARS. I’d be happy if they made no more films of this level.

  • Anonymous

    poor terry ….. so jealous of momoas barbarism….. i bet u got to larp events …

  • Anonymous

    I really like your review and i must admit that REH Conan’s story was obviously spoiled for a lot of people by ’80s movies (that i enjoyed actually…). I hadn’t still watch the movie but from trailers i expected something like you depicted.

    I’ve read some Robert E Howard books and i think that around Conan’s character there is a lot more introspection than is mainly put on movies.

    Maybe it’s not appropriate but i also enjoyed years ago Micheal Moorcock’s Elric Saga and a lot more Gene Wolfe’s The Book of the New Sun .

    I really wish all of those great fantasy (and depper than the actual ones) books could be approaced by a fan-director able to catch the meaning and the spirit of what those books gave to us while reading…but i think that making a count we are not enough to justify a budget isn’t it??? :)

  • Anonymous

    Coming from a wannabe son of a bitch who came here advertising the film like if it was the ultimate Conan flick, insulting all who insinuated the direction was fucked up and the casting a bkibdfold game, the one being ridiculed in the end is YOU , yiou’re roaming on the blog all alone, spitting bile and eating your fingernails, your mouth is foaming and the unemployment bureau will soon send you a notice.

    What are you looking for on this blog NOW anyways? Buy a rope and hang yourself, you’re a useless twit

  • Anonymous

    Right, left all around and especially in the MIDDLE, REAL DEEP….DEREK-T you know where of course

  • Anonymous

    You’re a laugh a minute, aren’t you Foom? You pathetic piece of shit. I’ll tell you why I’m still hanging around. I’m here so I can read your review – if you ever write one,that is. I’m waiting with bated breath to read what the Great Bumla Foom, the prince of mediocrity and below-average intelligence, has to say . . . got a feeling it’s going to be quite a read – so, what are waiting for, you worthless turd?

  • Anonymous

    Stop the presses, ladies and gents! We finally have a review of the movie in from Bumla Foom – and it’s on video no less!

  • Anonymous

    Stop the presses, ladies and gents! We finally have a review of the movie in from Bumla Foom – and it’s on video no less!

  • Anonymous

    Hang around all you want, your well being concerns me as much as a drying dog turd on the road.

    I’ll write a review when I watch that poor excuse for a film, not when fuckhead Derek decides.

  • Anonymous

    Stop posting vids of your favourite BUMBOY, Derek, we know you’re foond of effeminate dudes, but come on, we all know that ain’t me in the vid.

  • Anonymous

    Is it entirely right? Of course not. Books and movies are two very different beasts. Is an origin story neccessary? Not really. When critics — as someone once said “English bards and Scott reviewers — proclaim that John Milius’ version was closer to REH I say, you never read Two-Gun Bob. If it had been called Dagmar the Barbarian no one would have seen the connection. I like John Milius. I think THE WIND AND THE LION is one of the greatest adventure movies ever made/ He got Conan all wrong. This film is wall to wall action. Are there flaws? Of course there are. Yet it moves fast enough that it isn’t discratcing. Momoa brings Conan to life in was that Arnold Schwarzenegger never could. I like the scene where Artus tells of THE TOWER OF THE ELEPHANT. I like the end credits that say THE CHARACTER OF CONAN AS CREATED BY ROBERT E. HOWARD. I look forward to Jason Momoa coming every couple of years as Conan like they do with James Bond. I really believe it will be an actual adaption of Howard. Me, personally, I would love to see one that adapted IRON SHADOWS IN THE MOON & POOL OF TH BLACK ONES, or BLACK COLOSSUS, or PEOPLE OF THE BLACK CIRCLE, RED NAILS, BEYOND THE BLACK RIVER, ROGUES IN THE HOUSE ….
    I look forward to the next one!!!

  • Anonymous

    Actually the quote is “English Bards and Scotch reviewers.” Ooops! WTF!

  • http://twitter.com/benfromcanada Ben Dobson

    I disagree with your assessment, for the most part. http://benfromcanada.blogspot.com/2011/08/conan-barbarian-review.html

  • Anonymous

    WRONG, Milius’ Conan failed to present Howard’s true Conan, but anyone who has read Howard’s original stories, including those of Kull will have noticed the connections.

    Milius ripped entire concepts such as the Tower of the Elephant which completely modified became Set’s tower,in which conan and two thieves will break in and steal the eye of set.
    King Osric’s monolog comes straight from a Kull yarn, Conan being crucified on a tree in the desert from A witch shall be born (only that element) , Valeria coming back from the dead to save Conan is ripped from Queen of the black coast (she even promises him to do so in a similar manner, except names were changed) etc.
    Milius ripped and transformed, but from the novelization I read of Nispel’s movie, adventures are only MENTIONED , nothing is ripped nor transformed.
    That AIN’T ENOUGH, just ‘mentioning’ past adventures. Due to that goof, will we be able to watch these SKIPPED adventures one day?

  • Anonymous

    Ben I feel bad for First Nation people when I see something as stupid as the three mn excerpt with monstruous looking mohawks who snort and growl like animals. Some fans are deep inside just blockheads who want to see cowboya and indians in every film they watch. The evil characters being the ‘indians’ naturally.
    Some fake REH fans even say it reminds them Wolves beyond the Border…but have they really read it? Picts are in NO WAY described as having mohawk crests and trimmed deerskin pants amongst other details.

    Nispel is just an incompetent fart

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.sidoti Michael Sidoti

    Why can’t you just enjoy THIS VERSION of the story, instead of sounding like the elitist crybaby that you are? “Conan doesn’t deserve” this and that. Jesus! It’s a friggin’ movie, directed by… NOT YOU. Big surprise. Tell ya what: you find the financial backing, you can make a Conan movie any friggin’ way YOU want. Then, you can probably move out of your parents’ basement, get a job, and get laid.

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  • Anonymous

    Well if it’s only a movie, why the HELL are you complaining then ?
    The easy way: making fun of fans who are upset by telling them “try to do something better”.
    If Nispel is so good, why did he fuck up so badly? Why did it look like a big halloween party in 3D ?
    You can be a professional with…BAD TASTE and NO VISION AT ALL that is who he is.
    GET OVER IT

    “Conan” doesn’t really “deserve” anything in fact now that you mention it, it’s rather HOWARD who deserves a good adaptation or something that would respect his vision in shape of a pastiche that doesn’t contradict his other stories and makes use of many characters he invented for the Hyborian Age, Conan is fictional, Howard deserves respect. The likes of Nispel can only turn people away from Howard, because Nispel transvestites quality literature into something clownesque.

  • Anonymous

    Right on, Sidoti . . . this useless twit Bumla Foom keeps barking up a storm here yet he still hasn’t seen the movie! He keeps saying he’s going to see it and write a review, but he hasn’t done shit. Instead, he logs on here multiple times a day to attack people who seem to find some redeeming quality to the movie, even though by all accounts it’s a dud.

    I love this recent quote from him: “Some fans are deep inside just blockheads who want to see cowboy and indians in every film they watch.”
    Or how about this one: “Some fake REH fans even say it reminds them Wolves beyond the Border…but have they really read it?”

    Perfect examples of what a complete elitist douche bag this clown really is.

  • Anonymous

    He’s complaining, you moron, because he, like many of us here, are tired of the self-righteous garbage that you spew here every day. Once again, you want everyone to believe that you are merely a fan who has a right to voice an opinion. Yeah, right . . . what you really do is sit back and get off while you make snide and demeaning remarks about fans you think need to be taught a lesson. We despise people like you, Foom – people who think they got all the answers and then shit on those who feel or believe differently. Like Michael said, time to move out of your daddy’s basement and find a girl. I do believe you have a job though. We already discussed that, haven’t we? When it comes to deep-frying French fries, no one does it better than you, Foom.

  • Anonymous

    The only goof around here, Foom, is you.

  • Anonymous

    When you say “we despise you” , who is we, Derek?
    You and the voices in your head? You and the 27% fresh on rotten tomatoes?

    Only truth hurts asshole, the quote on finding a girl isn’t even worth making a joke about in my reply.

    Truth hurts again when you transfer your ability to deep fry potatoes, your ONLY ability, on me.
    You’re mad becasue that’s what you’re going to do from now on, now that you’ve been kicked out of your job for advertising like a dumbass on this blog.

  • Anonymous

    And I’ll keep on barking at your ugly face CosmicCharles aka Derek77 , each time you open you DIRTY MOUTH to run me down as well as when you mock all those who wished to have a REAL CONAN MOVIE WITH A REAL CONAN STORY IN IT .

    Each time a reviewer makes a positive review that sounds like an advertisement, here comes Derek77 to defend him, HOW STRANGE, the posters don’t even defend themselves.

    Don’t forget this Derek, you tried to get me banned once, and you failed MISERABLY, plus you even had your trolling and insulting messages censored.
    You’ve decided to try this all over again calling me an asshole, a son of a botch etc, don’t be surprised if I reply calling you a soor old piece of shit, Derek, you have no goal in life and cling on to that flop named Conan2011.

    Pathetic and miserable, you even continue fighting for Nispel’s sorry excuse for a vision, when even optimists now side with those who want a real story adapted.
    It’s over : numvers speak for themselves. 90million injected in Conan2011 and it only made 10million. It will make another silly number in bluray and that will be the end of it.

    Now get the fuck out of this blog.

  • Anonymous

    How could I ever be GOOFIER than you, when you post links of vids of effeminate dudes , then claiming the guy is me, HOW OLD ARE YOU.
    Besides you just insult me and never reply IN CONTEXT .
    Prove me that Nispel’s version contains more excerpts of Howard’s stories? but can you?
    Of course you cannot, you know fuck all about Howard and I bet you don’t even know what’s going on with the comics neither.
    You’re lost, all alone, TROLLING on conanmovieblog trying to promote the movie Conan3D even though it flopped like a limp dick.

  • Anonymous

    How could I ever be GOOFIER than you, when you post links of vids of effeminate dudes , then claiming the guy is me, HOW OLD ARE YOU.
    Besides you just insult me and never reply IN CONTEXT .
    Prove me that Nispel’s version contains more excerpts of Howard’s stories? but can you?
    Of course you cannot, you know fuck all about Howard and I bet you don’t even know what’s going on with the comics neither.
    You’re lost, all alone, TROLLING on conanmovieblog trying to promote the movie Conan3D even though it flopped like a limp dick.

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  • Anonymous

    I’ll leave when you bow down and kiss my shoes, Foom. Until then, bend over so you can receive Dilks you filthy monkey.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, I don’t disagree with you. Is this the Conan film I was hoping for, Hell no. One can only hope that the overseas box office and dvd sales will dustify a sequel that will actually adapt Howard. Only Time will tell. I did appreciate your comments. Glad to hear from you. I discovered Conan in 1969 when I was 15. I knew Sprague de Canp, Lin Carter and Glen Lord.

  • Anonymous

    You know, I was looking through some of the responses and I was — well not really amazed — how vindective and mean spirited they are. Hell, if you don’t agree with, that’s fine. Opinions, we all have them. Some of these buggers are just damned mean and vicious in what they say. Really, they should have their pictures and addresses posted so people know where them in their geek momma and daddy’s basement and beat the crap out of them. That you disagreed with me, that is what intelligent discord is about. I respect your opinion.

  • Anonymous

    . . . and you would know all about limp dicks :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jonathan-Curtis-Campbell/100000019730128 Jonathan Curtis Campbell

    Maybe because this version is not enjoyable in his opinion. Personally this was the worst piece of shit movie I have seen in some time.
    To imply that since he didn’t make the movie, he cant criticize it, is just fucking snobbish. When did it become fashionable to give credibility to something merely because people are willing to hand over money to have it done, or see it, or listen to it. The very question ” why cant you just enjoy this version of the story” is elitist. Why cant you just accept a piece of shit when I tell you its fucking cake. Put it in your mouth, chew it up and swallow it. Because when it looks like it and smells like it, you tend to think it just might be shit, which is a fair review of this movie.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1013331195 Rodolfo A Ruiz Harazda

    I consider myself a big Conan / Robert E. Howard fan. The above review was very honest, the best I have seen so far, it really touched many points that I agree. I have read all of the stories, and have seen everything Conan related, from Frazetta paintings, comics, the first Conan movie, the not so good sequel, cartoons, horrible T.V serie.
    I wanted so much the movie to be great, I wanted at least to be a small success, for the producers to at least recover their money quickly, and guarantee a new movie.
    I will tell you what went wrong, in my honest opinion. Everyone may have different opinions, but please read, and see if I am not being honest.
    The Conan fanbase was totally divided.
    There is 4 types of Conan Fans, with many variations:

    * The REH purists, who basically want the perfect Conan, want the movie based almost 100 percent in a REH story, they will not accept any minor derailment/ changes, Conan actor must be from Celt descent, blue eyes, muscular, and be famous. They will not accept any Joe Doe for the role.
    They expect for the movie to be made by a resurrected Stanley Kubrick, or any Oscar winner director. They surely expect Basil Poledouris or someone better to do the score.

    * The REH liberals, who basically are more open to variations, new ideas as long as it is based in a REH story. There can be minor changes, after all a movie is a different medium, someone with enough passion, dedication may be able to do a great movie. We know Conan is not going to be a Oscar winner actor, but must be able to act. He needs to be ripped, but is not a body building champion, after all, we know in the books Conan moves like a panther.
    (I include myself in this category)

    *The Milius militants, who basically are happy with the 82 movie. How do they dare remaking it?!
    They want for Conan to stay there, no more new ideas or variations, after all, no one can be better than Arnold. “They should do King Conan, recast Arnold, Milius, and then everything will be good” . I will give them credit, that the score by Poledouris cannot be surpassed. (but never say never)

    *The casual fan, who can really determine if a movie is a flop or not. They may not be experts, but will pay for a good movie, if it has good violence, boobs, or good story, good movie, or if they just know what a good movie is.
    Within this group, there can be many annoying individuals. “They should have cast “John Cena” ” The Rock” ” Kellan Lutz” “Vin Diesel”. Some of their contribuitions may be way off, if not delusional.

    Between the fighting in all these groups, since everyone’s expectations are different, created bad word of mouth. And please note I am not criticizing any group in particular. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

    The new version was not bad, it was good entertainment.
    I took my wife, and a group of friends. No one said, man, that was awfull!!..what crap did you take me to see?!? Most of them gave it 6-7 out of 10. But no one was enthusiastic about it. Maybe one male friend.
    I had a little hope for Mr. Nispel. I said maybe he will shake all the past, and come with a great new version. It was not the case. I did not feel passion, it was one bloody scene, after another. The script, very weak, lets be honest, how many times have we seen something in that style?!?
    The 3d? please, at least make a worthwhile 3d, not just for the opening credits.
    I had a damn headache after watching the movie. I felt no 3d effects whatsoever. It was a gimmick of the lowest class.

    I am a defender of Jason Momoa, and the actors, they did their best, and I had hopes to see him return with a better director. Anyone that criticizes him, please let me know a better actor. (Please do not include any actor from above, and please, Arnold is 62, I don’t think he can carry s sword, less have real swordplay.)

    But now, the aftermath… 10 million first week. really?
    That is 4 million more than Glee: the movie. sheeesh…

    I always have a saying, if you don’t have a solution, you are part of the problem. I will put my two cents:
    Better director. Simple. Two of my choices, (fantasy) Guillermo del Toro, or Zack Snyder. Someone that has passion for the project, who is not collecting a paycheck . (Nispel) Someone who is not afraid to grab a REH story, make changes to make a better movie. I remember a phrase from Guillermo, which could really help:
    On adapting other peoples’ work: “Once the material is out, it belongs to all of us.” And: “Adapting material is like marrying a widow. You have to be very respectful of the late husband’s memory, but at some point you’ve gotta f%^k.”

    But now, with the horrible Box office return, you think producers are going to jump into the bandwagon? Let’s be honest, Sword and Sorcery in the movies is very risky. If not for LOTR, it has been very hard. They did take notice of the poor attendance. Most likely, from now, no new movies, or if yes, much lesser budget, with more risk to have even a worse/newcomer director involved.

    That same day, after the movie, I went to a quiet room, and started reading “Beyond the Black River” , my favorite REH story. I felt the excitement, I was transported to a world which may never be duplicated. Maybe I am not being fair. Maybe I expect for the same excitement to be on the movie, but as it stands, the movie was in a far, far land.
    But it can be done.
    I want the normal Grandma / girl / dad / school kid / to get to know Conan.
    Maybe the new generation does not want to know about Conan anymore.
    After all, I am getting old. Maybe REH / Conan had its run in the 70′s-80′s.
    Now it’s gone. Harry Potter / Twilight are what people want to see.
    But I want to remain positive.
    Maybe one day, I hope I am still alive.

    Maybe that day I will feel the excitement I felt, like in the Two Towers,
    Gandalf appeared in daylight, with the mighty Rohirrim riders.
    Maybe I will feel the same excitment, like when in 300, Leonidas said “This is where we stand, this is when they die!!..
    I know it can be done.

    I wish everyone a nice day.

  • Anonymous

    Exactly, I know ….YOU.
    I never saw one before.

  • http://www.ageofconan.de Waldgeist

    I removed your personal fights Foom and Derek. Please get a room you two ;)

  • Anonymous

    LewCabos isn’t Derek77 and he wasn’t fighting with old Foom, he even stated he respected his opinion and that it was intelligent discord, you better take some rest Waldgeist ;)

  • Anonymous

    Unfortunately, sticking shit in other people’s faces telling them to swallow worked, Foom is gone.
    Aggressive marketing targets fans on blogs and tries to eradicate those who speak openly like you did Jon.
    Beware, or Derek will stick some Conan3D shit in your mouth too. If he tries that with me, it’ll end up rammed down his throat with my foot , then spurting from his nostrils.

    I thought the TV Conan was the worst thing I’d see with Conan name branded on it, but here came Conan 2011, with it’s cohort of promoters, but it sank like the major flop it was. the Conan brand in terms of movies is a neverending series of bad surprises and deceptions of all sorts.
    To quote the excellent Korgoth of Barbaria unique episode: “a rainbow of pain”

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Franco-Traverso/600175710 Franco Traverso

    hey just saw this and i think its great the time dedicated to the movie and waht people think about it …

    the classic conan is an epic masterpiece but i must admit i truly liked the new one and I think Jason Momoa was great, there´s really no point in comparing both movies plus im a fan ever since i saw game of thrones!

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  • Anonymous

    The review is as bad as the movie. Talk about missing the point of the bad of Conan. The screen writing was horrible. The movie was more Hollywood meets Sinbad than Conan in the Dark Ages. The actor’s go from modern language to growls and yelps. Only Stephen Lang performance is convincing.

    Given that the true character of Conan is well, barbarian, non intellectual, and adverse to conversation, Arnold’s rendition is actually more convincing than Jason’s. With proper direction and writing, with his performance as Khal Drogo in Game of Thrones, he could have pulled this off. Rachel Nichols, Rose McGowan, Ron Perlman, and Nonso Anozie, were all poor choices. Each tried to do well, but each gave their usual type performance s which did not fit their characters. Only the young Conan, Leo Howard did an admirable job.

    Conan movies have yet to live up to the fantastic character of the original comic creation.

  • Anonymous

    Wow, great review. I found the film agonizing; I wanted to like it so much. Jason Mamoa has this amazing ability to project strength and gentleness simultaneously (somewhat zen-like but in a very masculinie, somewhat juxtapositional way) but I did not pick it up here. Conan is a flawed hero that we end appreciating and he brings us to an understanding of our own survival instinct and how this affects us. I wish the move had had more depth, more subltety and less contrivance and reliane upon the formula presentation. Jason did his job!!

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